Curse

LuX · Jun 25, 2005, 12:29 PM // 12:29

Hi,

I've got this lvl 17 swordmastery W/Mo with a fiery dragon sword, 15-22 dmg. Still, in combat, i'm doing like 8-12 dmg (without skills). I dont understand. When i ask other warriors, they say they do more damage than that. Well I should certainly hope so, cause else the warrior class would really suck. With my other chars I do lots more damage, and its group damage (aoe).

Please take a look at this screenshot :

http://www.xs4all.nl/~derover/gw/gw038.jpg

I've tried playing around with the attribute points, but nothing seems to be helping. What am I doing wrong here ?

Thx,
LuX

VPRiceBoi · Jun 25, 2005, 01:47 PM // 13:47

8-15 dmg seems to be average dmg for swords if ur PvEing in areas that have enemies around ur lvl. but if u think ur dealing too little dmg, then try switching damage types, because stuff in that area may have armor resistance to the type ur using. but otherwise warriors dont have a very high dmg per hit, but sorta make up for it with having a high attack speed. so ur doing about the right amount of damage for a sword. if you want higher damage for ur warrior you might wanna try axe or hammer.

Da Cebuano · Jun 25, 2005, 04:57 PM // 16:57

Looking at that, you seem to be in vintare's refuge area or somewhere in the jungle. First things first, your weapon has no dmg mod and its not customized(you might as well, as that sword wont resell for much), custo your weap and add +20% armor penetration. 2nd, dmg is related to your level, to truly bring out 100% dmg, you'll have to reach lvl20. 2nd, fiery dragon swords have that inherent fire dmg, some monsters have certain elemental immunities, so you might be using a wrong element on a certain monster.

An example of this is the stupidity of bringing a fire dragon sword in the last mission area, where monsters are intune to fire, now why use a Fire dealing sword?

Swords believe it or not can be among the fastest dmg stacker in the game w/ the right build/condition. Bleed/gash/galrath/powerattack/final thrust can take out most everyone in the sequence. Cause of sword's atk speed, they can outrace hammer users who dont effectively knockdown and axe users are too random in dmg due to the high minimum/maximum dmg gap. Swords are relatively tight 15-22 having only a 7pt differential, so dmg are more uniform VS axe's 22pt difference and hammer's 16.

If you look at the medians: average sword dmg: 18.5 Axe: 17 Hammer 27(although by the time hammer does 1st dmg, axe and sword are well on their way for a 2nd hit).

Spideyknight · Jun 25, 2005, 05:06 PM // 17:06

Why have points in smiting when those additional 2 skill points will give you the 9 you need to up strength? I understand Balth's spirit is there, but honestly you could take that out and put a better skill there and up your strength and do more damage. You don't have a single tactics skill on your bar, why in the world are you wasting points on it? Please don't say it's the shield, if it is, get a str shield. Any class will be messed up if you gimp it yourself. You're also using power attack instead of Galrath Slash when you're build seems to be focused on getting adrenline more quickly. Why? You have healing breeze but no points in healing. Put some more thought into your build and you'll do the damage you need to do. If you don't want to have healing you don't have to, but if you want to focus on getting more adrenaline to pump out the skills faster then you need a better method than what you currently have.

UberRusty · Jun 25, 2005, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Lightning is the best element for a sword.

LuX · Jun 25, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Well, first off: i'm been playing around with the skills and attribute points alot, so thats why its now so crappy distributed . I used to have more in healing and non in tactics (since i didnt use that) . But today i thought: ok, maybe its somehow because i dont have point in tactics , so i took them from healing.

I also understand that some monsters have more armor vs fire than other. However, i've been having this problem since the beginning of this char, with different swords. Always the same very low damage. U say it can be fast with the bleeding and all, i find that not to be true, in my case anyway. It takes ages for the adrenline to charge before i can use the bleeding skill, use gash, do some more damage until life<50% for final thrust. Thats why i threw the smiting enchantment in (balthazars). Still doesnt help tho. When i play in a party without henchmen, the other party members are killing the monsters before i can even use final thrust. When i alone am attacking a monster , i hardly get any life off of him.

About the being lvl20 before 100% damage... Hmm, till now (lvl17) i'm doing max 12 damage. My elementalist does more damage with her rod alone. And then i'm not even mentioning the simple skills like firestorms (group damage), flares (fast attack rate) at low lvl. I really think an lvl 5 Ele with flare would kill these lvl 17 monsters faster than I with this warrior.

Anyway, since you're all saying this is what it is, warrior = low dmg, then the fun for me in this char is gone. I've been annoyed with it for a very long time. This was my 2nd char, hardly ever playing with it because of this, have made 3 new chars since then. Time to delete this one, and come on with something else

Thanks all for the input.

Davey · Jun 25, 2005, 10:32 PM // 22:32

What do you mean warriors = low dmg? Use a fiery dragon sword max damage and +10% damage mod, 13 swordsmanship and the rest in strength and tactics and you can deal 120's on hellhounds without any skills. That's what I call high dmg XD

Dyeeo · Jun 25, 2005, 10:35 PM // 22:35

Hellhounds have the worst armor in the game. In fact, they are the weakest monster in the game. My elementalist does over 300 dmg to them.

Deathlord · Jun 25, 2005, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by Davey

What do you mean warriors = low dmg? Use a fiery dragon sword max damage and +10% damage mod, 13 swordsmanship and the rest in strength and tactics and you can deal 120's on hellhounds without any skills. That's what I call high dmg XD

Hellhounds don't even have armor, plus, it's now like you see them often.
Sword can do damage, it's just not as good at doing it as the other weapons. It is more stable but the skills itself arn't excellent at damaging. Final thrust requires a persons hp to be under 50% to really shine, even then, 10 adreniline + lose all your adreniline make's it so that the warrior would end up doing 5 - 10 dmg for another 8ish hits. If you want to increase damage, level to 20, customize it, and find more skills. If you still cannot be satisfied with it then I highly suggest you go axe/hammer, you might find what your looking for there.

jordie · Jun 25, 2005, 10:39 PM // 22:39

First of all dragon/fire swords suck they do max sword dmg and dont have ap, and also they never have decent bonus effect.

Now my sword is is an exsact copy of the pvp enchantment sword.(15-22 +15% while enchanted and they u can customise. Adding up 2 15% extra dmg than a fire sword.

This sword can be traded of the collector outside the dunes of despair mission for 5 jade mandables

The Red Knight · Jun 25, 2005, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Nah frost is everybody uses air armor :/. Shrug dragon swords are just for show

UberRusty · Jun 26, 2005, 03:07 AM // 03:07

LuX, get a lightning damage sword with the same damage stats and you'll see what I'm talking about.

LuX · Jun 26, 2005, 09:00 AM // 09:00

Imho, i think it sucks that the warrior does so little damage. You all say its gets better when u'r lvl 20, or that i should get a lighting sword (never seen 1 in 5 chars) , and that i can get better skills after lvl 20. Thats just bad. So warrior sucks from lvl 1 to lvl 20, and then finally u can play with him? Thats a waste of time. I'm having fun playing with my necro, monk and elementalist from day 1.
Also had a ranger that i deleted on lvl 11 i think. That one even had lower dmg than the warrior, lol. Before anyone starts to flame: its ok when you play with those classes, i'm not attacking anyone here; I just dont have the patience to spend hours and hours to get a sucky char to lvl 20 before I can have fun with it.

firstwave · Jun 26, 2005, 05:22 PM // 17:22

warriors dont suck. Sometimes DPS is important, and other times inflicting conditions are more important. What I like about warriors is the fact that they can adapt into most environments and still do good. Being a warrior, you have your roles in PVP and PVM. Also its more than just doing raw damage. Also you should try Axe. I think Axe > sword because 6-28 IMO is better than 15-22 because theres more to expect. I don't mind the low min damage because my skills counter it. Also, fiery dragon swords are for the look only. If you wanna be more effective, use physical damage sword.

Dreamsmith · Jun 26, 2005, 05:44 PM // 17:44

It should be noted that warriors do more damage than any other profession in the game, not because they do more damage per attack (indeed, they usually do less when not using a skill), but because they get more attacks in, and generally have skills that recharge more quickly. You should be getting in a dozen attacks, including some skill-boosted attacks, for every Fireball the mage gets off. Don't worry if your individual attacks, particularly non-skill-boosted ones, don't do a lot of damage -- with your attack rate, they have to be fairly low or the game would be wildly unbalanced in favor of warriors. What you don't get in terms of individual attacks you make up for in volume.

Dark Beast · Jun 26, 2005, 05:46 PM // 17:46

I read an article that was about the games mechanics which had damage and other stuff.http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php
Part of the article says that a sword with 8 req and a sword with 12 would do different damages if the skill level was set to 12. The sword with 8 req would have higher damage because the skill was higher than it's req. While the sword with 12 would do lower. So that would help you do some more damage. :-/

Black Raine · Jun 26, 2005, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Okay, first off let me ask, were you using flurry when you saw these numbers? And what monsters were you hitting when you saw these numbers? The fire damage might have made you deal less damage than you should have. Either that or they had very high armor.

@Dark Beast, I'm 99% sure sword req. does not affect sword damage, just how much of the sword attribute you need to use it. I read the article you posted and I didn't see anything about the req. increasing damage.

Es Onizuka · Jun 27, 2005, 02:43 AM // 02:43

This happened to me just TODAY. If the requirement is 12, then you must have 13 of that attribute (one above the requirement). Today I had a max dmg sword and the requirements were 10, so I set it to 10 in swordsmanhip, and I was getting 8 to 10 damage. I played around with the attributes, changed it to 11, and I was hitting for the appropriate 15-22 damage. Hope this helps.

UberRusty · Jun 27, 2005, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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or that i should get a lighting sword (never seen 1 in 5 chars)

You obviously haven't seen much then. Lightning hilts are NOT hard to find at all. Common as dirt, actually. Go use the trade channel if you can't salvage yourself one.